NMB conversation?--hardly

Here is the point folks--there is no conversation folks just express their own prejudices and motivations which in the end are team dependent.  Sorry to say its even worse than I thought as It boils down to who has the authority to make the call - avant garde or not or if - and if that call would be giving up their own authority to say it.-  

Needless to say it does not just have to do with who was first but also to do with authenticity of the art.  

DS simply has nothing  lose  and everything to gain.





http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=6889

hhhmmm
By philmusic

It seems that folks around here seem less interested in discussing music than in discussion about how music might be discussed. Frankly I'm disgusted.

That said my first blog post was on this subject in 1990.

Phil's first post NY Times

Phil Fried Phil's on garde page
Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 1:39:56 PM

Labels and fables By philmusic Its this really; no one wants to admit that someone, somewhere, is doing more important work than they are. Why should they when there is every advantage not to? Phil Fried. no sonic prejudice Phil's very avant garde page Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 10:09:04 AM hmmm conversation? By philmusic It seems to me that the quality of the avant-garde is not just being first with new materials. Phil's other other page Saturday, April 23, 2011, 6:27:08 PM  ____________________________________________________________  The point here is that I suggest that the composers in question are perhaps being dishonest.  That doesn't square with the literalist's of the academic world who feel the not just to take all artists statements at face value but to privilege that statement over the music itself.   Most of these posts are by the same 3 people having no conversation. http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=6848 just a thought.. By philmusic These folks are creating a music whose tropes are not usually associated with "classical" music. So even if there is no claim of rebellion, a case can be made that there is a strong declaration. Phil Fried's page for old fogies Thursday, March 31, 2011, 3:34:13 AM why blame the composers? By philmusic The phenomenon of the artist or composer of the moment has been with us for some time, though they have also been referred to as "the savior of modern music,"etc, etc. By their very nature their short term impact drowns out other voices. If no one remembers them now, even after a decade, that's no worse a record than many other artists. Currently all styles of music are being created; why then blame a composer for their own success? If there is any complacency in the arts I would direct that criticism at gatekeepers and their institutions who give the "artist of the moment" their time. Too many times I have heard gatekeepers say--"anything but serial music." Phil Fried, no sonic prejudice. Phil's I'm still a curmudgeon page Sunday, April 17, 2011, 3:26:13 PM