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By: Philip Fried Date: Feb 8, 2008 - 04:55 PM

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 Rock the vote!!

good work Carl
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Politics can be a very touchy subject especially where our self interest and power (or lack there of) are concerned.

As a music educator I like this approach: NYT

Phil Fried







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By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

For me live music is choice A

recorded music is choice B

On the other hand many of the social aspects of music and community have changed (or been re-invented) and this requires futher thought.

Phil Fried

Wednesday, February 06, 2008, 11:04:39 AM



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in trouble again
By: Philip Fried Date: Feb 5, 2008 - 05:22 PM

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Mr. Haber was talking antisemitism when the usual gang started nit picking--however It seems that I mis-wrote my reply which then when to far --yet I wanted to get back to the central point!--anyway so someone else chimes in to and blind sides me!



back on topic
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..Who knows when their country, the country their families have lived in for 22 centuries, will change its mind once again.."

Folks, we can quibble all we want about the various points and timelines or about who is more [sic]anti-emitic. the fact is-today; .

Jews feel unsafe everywhere! [this should read Jews "can" feel unsafe everywhere!

Phil Fried



anti up
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Folks, we can quibble all we want about the various points and timelines or about who is more "anti-semitic"

yikkes

Phil Fried



 Dean replies -a little insulting if you ask me.

Safe and Sound
By Dean Rosenthal - deanrosenthal@gmail.com

Don't generalize, please, it just makes you look paranoid at best. When my grandparents fled Europe for Connecticut, they took with them the vision of the future - we live history the way we project ourselves, Phil.

America's a great way to focus in on the positive - for all of us, not just the people of the book, whatever that means.

Really, you don't speak for me, and I feel strongly about this. My family just survived the war, and definitely not to reinforce your experience of generalizing my experience, you know?

Tuesday, February 05, 2008, 1:35:45 PM


By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..When my grandparents fled Europe for Connecticut,.."

Is the past that distant?

Phil

Tuesday, February 05, 2008, 2:21:03 PM

trying to be on topic
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..Don't generalize, please, . .."

Ok I get it now-I was talking about the post, the Jewish community [sic]is Rome,



Of course nothing like that could happen here.

Yet, my family still lives in Greenwich village and they were in some danger, as I remember, some time back. Luckily no one I knew was killed.

Phil Fried

Tuesday, February 05, 2008, 2:28:18 PM

one more time
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..Don't generalize, please, . .."

Ok I get it now-I was talking about the post, the Jewish community in Rome, I did not mean to generalize Dean. I only speak for myself.

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By: Philip Fried Date: Feb 4, 2008 - 09:16 PM

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Besides all the colorful metaphors..
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

There are many interesting issues raised here; Why compose for ensemble “types” when it is unlike you will get performed?

Creativity is not governed by “rules” -it presents solutions! Present yours!!

GO HERE!!!

MN Orchestra composers institute

Phil Fried





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Me love jargon
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"...To deny it is to deny the past, the present, and the future..."

Well I suppose this covers it.

One thing though. It seems obvious that you have not had the experience of working in a factory, or in an office or store, where they play canned music all day long. You can't tune it out and you can't turn it off and you don't get to chose it. Those sound canceling headphones are not allowed either. Oh, of course you can quit the job--unless you need the money.

Phil Fried

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By: Philip Fried Date: Feb 4, 2008 - 09:14 PM

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back on topic
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..Who knows when their country, the country their families have lived in for 22 centuries, will change its mind once again.."

Folks, we can quibble all we want about the various points and timelines or about who is more antisemitic. the fact is-today; .

Jews feel unsafe everywhere!

Phil Fried



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By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

The most interesting opinions on music teaching, any music teaching, I have read were by Carl Flesch. --and some interesting compositions used as examples as well (vol. 2?) - in his violin book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Flesch

Phil Fried





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By: Philip Fried Date: Jan 25, 2008 - 05:16 AM

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 Union busting goes digital-what else is new?

Phil Fried



Crumbs from the table?
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"...and focus on the ethical and aesthetic."

I have no problem with art. I do have a problem with the implicit redistribution of wealth. Oh yes-serious money is involved here. Content has value.

Where does the money go? Where will the money go?

Phil Fried

Thursday, January 24, 2008, 1:01:54 PM

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It could be worse!
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
Frank, are you suggesting that too much good music has a downside?

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I was late to the table
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

I started composing in my 4th year at college so my first song composed is still the first song in my list. It turned out quite well so I kept at it. Strange, it's also based on 9, 13 chords.

Phil Fried

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By: Philip Fried Date: Jan 16, 2008 - 02:25 PM



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the spice is the worm the worm is the spice

By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

I loved Dune. Especially this line:

Fear is the mind-killer!

Phil Fried


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By: Philip Fried Date: Jan 16, 2008 - 02:23 PM

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By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..Much sweat and ink has been spilled over the perceived lack of interest in classical/new/art/experimental music for decades now.""

But that's all it is- a perception.

In my small experience folks love the real thing. Though it is true that much depends on the context of presentation, authenticity is its own reward.

Phil Fried



By rtanaka - ryant@ryangtanaka.com

Phil, what's your definition of "authentic"? Honest question.



a clarification

By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com



...classical/new/art/experimental music is its own reward--I thought that was clear!

Phil

Sunday, January 13, 2008, 4:37:22 PM


hmmmm

By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com


Perhaps my comment referred to this: "...For those of us who write music that is particularly incomprehensible to the public, deliberately limiting our vocabulary might yield more economically viable results..."

I have found that most crowd pleasing classical composers don't try to pander at all--its just their natural voice. There's a place for us all.

Phil, honestly.



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By: Philip Fried Date: Jan 16, 2008 - 02:18 PM

 sometimes it get too serious in there!

-also all of these unverifiable claims by folks start to get to me

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 I have a hard time with the generalization that a certain skill level will lead to a certain type of compositional style.

Skills be damned--its the music that counts!

Phil Fried

Monday, January 14, 2008, 11:52:36 PM

sorry...
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Said Liliy St. Cyr

As she tossed back a beer

“no need to shed tears

I can vouch for your ears”

Though pitch discrimination

And its cheep imitation

Casts a pall over the nation

Please, be of good cheer

Which one of us is blest

To know who’s ears are best

Shall I propose a test?

Then who would adhere?

I don’t mean to nudge

But so few bloggers budge

And no one would fudge

What they say around here.

Said Lilly St. Cyr

“You are all so sincere

“no need to shed tears

I will vouch for your ears”


Phil Fried

Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 10:06:21 AM


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By: Philip Fried Date: Feb 25, 2008 - 04:50 PM

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 on the "Vincent who" thread

 I just see red every time a composer is praised, its always in the context of another composer -- usually a serial composer being put down.  Whats good is good. Peroid!



On the Horizon
By Kyle Gann - kgann@earthlink.net

Walter, I think the point of view you express is in the process of becoming more widely accepted. Certainly the idea that mid-century 12-tone composers became overrated to the detriment of more "conservative" composers is becoming commonplace, and has been given especially eloquent treatment in Alex Ross's new book. Sibelius and Britten are being rehabilitated, and I think the American neoclassics will soon be riding their coattails. Seattle conductor Gerard Schwarz (whatever his other problems) has done tremendous service for Hanson, Schuman, Diamond, and Piston, though orchestras in general are slow to champion anything beyond the standard repertoire, and help is more likely to come from musicology (you first of all) before performance catches up. For what it's worth, I think the American neoclassics have suffered less, in general, than European neoclassic composers like Boris Blacher, Wolfgang Fortner, and Dietrich Erdmann, who seem to have been practically obliterated. For me personally, William Schuman was a tremendous hero, his music part of my DNA. I was privileged to have interviewed him by phone and met him afterward, and I really couldn't get by without his 3rd, 6th, 7th, and 8th symphonies. If you publish a book on Schuman, I will snap it up in a heartbeat. Few good American composers get the attention they deserve from the classical music world, but musicologically the pendulum is swinging in your direction.

Friday, February 22, 2008, 10:47:37 PM

A thought
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..Certainly the idea that mid-century 12-tone composers became overrated to the detriment of more "conservative" composers is becoming commonplace, and has been given especially eloquent treatment in Alex Ross's new book. .."

I suppose that then, as now, everyone wants to be on the winning team. How many composers serial, or otherwise, jump ship when the times get tough? Our own opinions aside, I think the good music will remain no matter what the style.

Phil Fried

Saturday, February 23, 2008, 3:31:05 PM

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composers, place setters and institutions
By: Philip Fried Date: Feb 23, 2008 - 02:05 PM



 Old Institutions especially those heavily invested in the social obligations of its boards and contributors continue in this way unabated.  Opera for example.  New music theater has sprung up  to present new possibilities, yet the old forms remain and continue to need their social calendar filled with events like premieres etc. 

This would seem to mean that the opportunities for avant- garde works on a on a large scale would be possible and constant. Sadly, no. Unlike Europe where there it seems there is more interest in different kinds of musical rhetoric, here in the USA institutions have turned away from trained composers almost entirely and now relies on "place holders"  i.e: creators of pseudo musicals, motion music, pop music, and retread Americana.

These reactionary works (though politically neutral, or ironic which means they could mean anything ) are simply defined by the critics as the avant-garde-- problem solved!     Of course this is not really a change at all.  Serial music's short vogue, was the exception that proves the rule.      

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By: Philip Fried Date: Feb 22, 2008 - 12:46 PM

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on topic... I think?

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I have always had a difficult relationship with commissions and awards. There have been times when, looking back, I drew (what some might call arbitrary) lines in the sand and refused to cross them. This was because I was ambitious for my music but not for myself. I paid a price for this, but I made a choice and stuck to it. Now I can say now that everything that has happened for me is because of my music.



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By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

There seems to be two issues here:

1)the removal of Carl's post
2) the removal of the discussion that followed

As to 1--I am glad that we live in a country that follows the rule of law. I understand Ms. Cossa explanation --and I have no problems with it at all.

As to the removal discussion that followed? Well. it was no different than many of the other discussions on this site which need to be taken with several grains of salt.

As small aside from the NYT :
By PATRICIA COHEN

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/books/14dumb.html?em&ex=1203742800&en=8e771b3bbcd125e7&ei=5087%0A

"...Then there is Lee Siegel’s “Against the Machine: Being Human in the Age of the Electronic Mob,” which inveighs against the Internet for encouraging solipsism, debased discourse and arrant commercialization. Mr. Siegel, one might remember, was suspended by The New Republic for using a fake online persona in order to trash critics of his blog (“you couldn't tie Siegel’s shoelaces”) and to praise himself (“brave, brilliant”). .."

Phil Fried
Thursday, February 21, 2008, 10:33:34 AM

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By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com


I performed a solo work for bass by Persichetti a while back it was solid but it didn't seem to pack the punch that George Perle's Monody for bass did.

"..What other mid-century American composers are sorely in need of a revival?.."

How about reviving Isadore Freed? Oh yes he is a relation.

What about Marion Bauer or Arthur Schnabel's compositions? I've never heard them.

Phil Fried

Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 11:37:25 PM



Obscure Alternatives

By Chris Becker - beckermusic@yahoo.com



Frank - Maybe you or someone on staff could write a column once a month describing the life and work of a composer who may not but should be better known in this community? Even though I am a composer working well outside of the world of wind ensemble or orchestral writing I still find the history of composers of all kinds of music fascinating.



Since it's Black History Month.I've been hoping for a little more writing about African American composers here and on other blogs. Unfortunately, race and gender does play into who gets their historical props and who doesn't. But that is changing in this century...A few links below might be of some interest... http://williamgrantstill.com/wgsbiography/ http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/news/libraries/2008/2008-02-05.freeman.html http://www.leonarda.com/composers-LE/comp339.html



Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 9:38:52 AM





By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com



I agree Chris, sounds like a good idea!



Phil Fried



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By: Philip Fried Date: Feb 20, 2008 - 11:09 PM

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this thread devolves into some strange other world. too long to reproduce here!


By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"...Which reminded me of why I stopped visiting the NMB site - the dialogue on any given day back then basically consisted of interesting and even useful discussions slowly being swamped by personal agenda-driven off-the-wall reactions from egotists whose only reason to be there was because it's the only time anyone actually takes any notice of them, ..."

I'm afraid I'm beginning to agree.

Phil Fried

Sunday, February 17, 2008, 7:07:03 PM

on topic
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

I find traveling distracting so I don't compose when I travel. On the other hand I can Orchestrate, correct parts (Some times I have too), or study scores when I travel.

Phil Fried Phil's page

Sunday, February 17, 2008, 7:23:33 PM

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sometimes these folks take themselves way too serious.

OMG
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"...requisite ultra-slutty looking girl .."

That's my Mom your talking about!

Phil Fried



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By: Philip Fried Date: Feb 15, 2008 - 11:11 PM

safety of my keypad.

http://www.sequenza21.com/index.php/710#comments

Comment from Phil Fried
Time: February 16, 2008, 1:06 am

According to their web site:

“Members of the Kennedy Center’s national artists committee, as well as past Honorees, made recommendations of possible Honorees.” So the President and First Lady are involved in the process only as dignitaries to honor the arts. They should. As citizens the White house belongs to all the American people. Its just as much Lincoln’s white house as Andy Jackson’s or you can name any president you love or not. It would seem then that Mr. Fliescher’s comments were made in the right place.

We love free speech.

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mix'in it up Mr. Coll
By: Philip Fried Date: Feb 15, 2008 - 08:51 AM

first Colin's post



I Know It When I Hear It
By Colin Holter

Wednesday, February 06, 2008, 11:12:28 AM

I have a confession to make: There's a word I use in reference to music whose meaning I absolutely do not know. No clue. But I probably say this word at least once a day. When I hear a piece that's somehow unsatisfying, that lets me down in a way I can't (or don't want to) articulate precisely, I assert, as if from the judge's bench, that the piece doesn't "work." Conversely, when there's something ineffable about a piece's contour that's especially potent, I might proclaim that this piece does indeed "work." What the hell am I talking about?

Don't play dumb with me. You know exactly what I'm talking about. Just about everybody I know in new music uses this verb. The thing about "works" is that we don't really need to define it until we start disagreeing about what it means. Even though we can't always put our finger on just what that might be, however, a consensus about whether a piece "works" or not isn't usually too hard to achieve. The new music community has a large shared library of expectations that lead us, generally, to judge "works" by roughly the same criteria—even if we disagree on a piece's merit beyond "works." But they call it "new music" because it's new, right? Aren't we also held responsible for questioning the very value system that separates "works" from "doesn't work"?

This is why writing music is so hard: There are millions of ways to write a great old piece and millions of ways to write a great new piece—but the ways to write a great old piece fill every library and record shop in town, and the ways to write a great new piece are concealed by even more ways to write new pieces that don't "work." Doing something both new and good is exceedingly hard, because if it's genuinely new, how will we know whether it's good?

I don't know. We just will.



My comment

By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com



Roger Sessions said:

“Composers are doers of deeds”



Of course every project is different and some work requires more refection than others. Yet, at some point Colin you have to stop thinking about the music and just compose it.



Let the chips fall where they may.



Phil Fried



Thursday, February 07, 2008, 9:50:38 AM

Mr. Coll objects

doers of deeds?

By davidcoll - coll@berkeley.edu



sorry, but thats just bad advice in my opinion- and its not just because i find sessions music largely uninteresting because his later music reflects this same laziness of self-criticism



if a composer feels compelled to ask a lot of questions its because theres they have a real need for it- and if people say its just procrastination, they might have a point- so long as we're all honest w/ourselves it should be alright...



thats my feel-good comment of the day...



Thursday, February 07, 2008, 11:29:02 AM



the lazy I

By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com



"...his later music reflects this same laziness of self-criticism.."



I thought this was more a question of staying on the composition track rather than switching to a related study--many university student composers switch fields because they end up finding other aspects of music more interesting and/or less stressful.



I think if you want to compose -compose!



anyway-- Its easy to break and discard the idols of the past -every generation does it.



Phil Fried



Thursday, February 07, 2008, 11:45:38 AM



Personally I find it hard to believe that a web site dedicated to

American music would not have more responses to an attack on Mr. Sessions, yet no one bothered

Sigh.

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By: Philip Fried Date: Feb 15, 2008 - 08:45 AM

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On listening:

By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com



I strive to be a disinterested listener. The problem is being a composer by its very nature makes me an "interested" listener.



I must learn mediate myself!



Phil Fried



Wednesday, February 13, 2008, 3:02:44 PM

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Mark hates digital recordings

too narrow

By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com



Mark, no matter how strong your argument is, or weak for that matter, will not make the folks who disagree with you go away. If you make your argument too narrow then the fur will fly!



I agree that live music is best because I want a direct relationship with performance and performers—but I do happen to like live electronic music and mixed live/electronic performed in said concert halls. Where does that fit in? Jazz bands, for example, amplify the string bass as a matter of course. I think if you look again you might find many exceptions that work quite well. Live and electronic music are not mutually exclusive.



Phil Fried


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 Colin wants to write an opera--but considers "new music theater" instead



Make it work!

By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com



"..Electronics could put me within striking distance of my opera..."



Well you have to start somewhere and a self contained work is good calling card. Opera these days is not so much about imagination or scale (and stage directors tend to have their own ideas)--its about finding the opportunity. Use the means you have.



Phil Fried



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By: Philip Fried Date: Feb 8, 2008 - 04:55 PM

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 Rock the vote!!

good work Carl
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Politics can be a very touchy subject especially where our self interest and power (or lack there of) are concerned.

As a music educator I like this approach: NYT

Phil Fried







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By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

For me live music is choice A

recorded music is choice B

On the other hand many of the social aspects of music and community have changed (or been re-invented) and this requires futher thought.

Phil Fried

Wednesday, February 06, 2008, 11:04:39 AM



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By: Philip Fried Date: Feb 5, 2008 - 05:22 PM

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Mr. Haber was talking antisemitism when the usual gang started nit picking--however It seems that I mis-wrote my reply which then when to far --yet I wanted to get back to the central point!--anyway so someone else chimes in to and blind sides me!



back on topic
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..Who knows when their country, the country their families have lived in for 22 centuries, will change its mind once again.."

Folks, we can quibble all we want about the various points and timelines or about who is more [sic]anti-emitic. the fact is-today; .

Jews feel unsafe everywhere! [this should read Jews "can" feel unsafe everywhere!

Phil Fried



anti up
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Folks, we can quibble all we want about the various points and timelines or about who is more "anti-semitic"

yikkes

Phil Fried



 Dean replies -a little insulting if you ask me.

Safe and Sound
By Dean Rosenthal - deanrosenthal@gmail.com

Don't generalize, please, it just makes you look paranoid at best. When my grandparents fled Europe for Connecticut, they took with them the vision of the future - we live history the way we project ourselves, Phil.

America's a great way to focus in on the positive - for all of us, not just the people of the book, whatever that means.

Really, you don't speak for me, and I feel strongly about this. My family just survived the war, and definitely not to reinforce your experience of generalizing my experience, you know?

Tuesday, February 05, 2008, 1:35:45 PM


By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..When my grandparents fled Europe for Connecticut,.."

Is the past that distant?

Phil

Tuesday, February 05, 2008, 2:21:03 PM

trying to be on topic
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..Don't generalize, please, . .."

Ok I get it now-I was talking about the post, the Jewish community [sic]is Rome,



Of course nothing like that could happen here.

Yet, my family still lives in Greenwich village and they were in some danger, as I remember, some time back. Luckily no one I knew was killed.

Phil Fried

Tuesday, February 05, 2008, 2:28:18 PM

one more time
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..Don't generalize, please, . .."

Ok I get it now-I was talking about the post, the Jewish community in Rome, I did not mean to generalize Dean. I only speak for myself.

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By: Philip Fried Date: Feb 4, 2008 - 09:16 PM

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Besides all the colorful metaphors..
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

There are many interesting issues raised here; Why compose for ensemble “types” when it is unlike you will get performed?

Creativity is not governed by “rules” -it presents solutions! Present yours!!

GO HERE!!!

MN Orchestra composers institute

Phil Fried





 http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5437



Me love jargon
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"...To deny it is to deny the past, the present, and the future..."

Well I suppose this covers it.

One thing though. It seems obvious that you have not had the experience of working in a factory, or in an office or store, where they play canned music all day long. You can't tune it out and you can't turn it off and you don't get to chose it. Those sound canceling headphones are not allowed either. Oh, of course you can quit the job--unless you need the money.

Phil Fried

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back on topic
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..Who knows when their country, the country their families have lived in for 22 centuries, will change its mind once again.."

Folks, we can quibble all we want about the various points and timelines or about who is more antisemitic. the fact is-today; .

Jews feel unsafe everywhere!

Phil Fried



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By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

The most interesting opinions on music teaching, any music teaching, I have read were by Carl Flesch. --and some interesting compositions used as examples as well (vol. 2?) - in his violin book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Flesch

Phil Fried





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By: Philip Fried Date: Jan 25, 2008 - 05:16 AM

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 Union busting goes digital-what else is new?

Phil Fried



Crumbs from the table?
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"...and focus on the ethical and aesthetic."

I have no problem with art. I do have a problem with the implicit redistribution of wealth. Oh yes-serious money is involved here. Content has value.

Where does the money go? Where will the money go?

Phil Fried

Thursday, January 24, 2008, 1:01:54 PM

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It could be worse!
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
Frank, are you suggesting that too much good music has a downside?

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I was late to the table
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

I started composing in my 4th year at college so my first song composed is still the first song in my list. It turned out quite well so I kept at it. Strange, it's also based on 9, 13 chords.

Phil Fried

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By: Philip Fried Date: Jan 16, 2008 - 02:25 PM



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the spice is the worm the worm is the spice

By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

I loved Dune. Especially this line:

Fear is the mind-killer!

Phil Fried


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By: Philip Fried Date: Jan 16, 2008 - 02:23 PM

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By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..Much sweat and ink has been spilled over the perceived lack of interest in classical/new/art/experimental music for decades now.""

But that's all it is- a perception.

In my small experience folks love the real thing. Though it is true that much depends on the context of presentation, authenticity is its own reward.

Phil Fried



By rtanaka - ryant@ryangtanaka.com

Phil, what's your definition of "authentic"? Honest question.



a clarification

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...classical/new/art/experimental music is its own reward--I thought that was clear!

Phil

Sunday, January 13, 2008, 4:37:22 PM


hmmmm

By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com


Perhaps my comment referred to this: "...For those of us who write music that is particularly incomprehensible to the public, deliberately limiting our vocabulary might yield more economically viable results..."

I have found that most crowd pleasing classical composers don't try to pander at all--its just their natural voice. There's a place for us all.

Phil, honestly.



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