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friday nmb final ords
By: Philip Fried Date: Mar 21, 2008 - 03:25 PM

I swear this is true
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

I am reminded of a story.

A well-known pianist who performs recent music was in residence at a collage and was to perform works by the students. The first piece had a title and no other musical indications (tempo/dynamics etc.). The words were “Happy Happy.”

Since this was a seminar situation it naturally occurred to our pianist to ask what the young composer meant by the phrase “Happy Happy?” The composer replies—“HAPPY HAPPY” Our pianist thinking our composer in this situation was perhaps a little bit shy asked again. Again composer replies—“HAPPY HAPPY.”

Our performer, slightly befuddled, inquired further, as too what might be the tempo of the work? Our composer replied, and with a little more emphasis this time “HAPPY HAPPY.”

Our performer persists, “well how fast a tempo would that be?” “HAPPY HAPPY” came the reply and this time our composer is showing no little anger. “Well perhaps the composer would care to demonstrate what he/she means by happy happy? “ “ IT MEANS HAPPY HAPPY!!!-HAPPY HAPPY!!!—HAPPY HAPPY!!!!” losing all patience.

Our pianist took a deep breath, played the work and moved on to the next one.

The pianist related to me that in the end the composer was happy happy with the performance.

Phil Fried


My apologies to all. I certainly don't mean to make light of this discussion, inexperience can lead to new techniques, but sometimes its just inexperience.

Phil Fried

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By: Philip Fried Date: Mar 20, 2008 - 02:04 PM

http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5502

 ok the thread has moved off a little

good idea
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..I'd like to see more composers take an active interest in pedagogy..."

I think that there is a great deal of great material already out there-though a lot of it is hard to find, and some of it is out of print. Recently. Nikki Melville commissioned 12 composers with this idea in mind. I'm sure there are many others I don't know about. Perhaps we could make a list or promote the ones we (AMC) have?

Phil Fried

Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 2:02:24 PM



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http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5501



Here I "think" I'm  the voice of reason --but see how I am ignored because folks  rather argue minutia.

Not to mention misunderstanding the difference between instrumental works and mixed genre/media works.



just fussy enough
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"...what is the best way to communicate your intention? "

Since there is usually more than one way to notate anything, I try not to be too fussy so I look for the simplest solution. On the other hand in compositions with theatrical components, well, thats another question.

Phil Fried

Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 9:54:45 AM

I chide them

6 the hard way
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Um, am I the only one who finds it odd that some would chose to debate the interpretation of compositions they have never heard or seen? Composed by composers who intentions we do not fully know or understand?

How many hypotheticals does it take to screw in a light bulb? I know the answer if they are from California!

Phil Fried--something to do with Hot tubs

Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 4:13:19 PM



Ms. Shapiro wants to be above the discussion, my follow up on Frank.



By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Nam June Paik

also composed danger music.

Phil Fried

Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 4:25:19 PM



oppsey
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Nam June Paik

Actually, I think he called it "fear" music.

Phil Fried

Thursday, March 20, 2008, 12:01:03 AM



 The main and unstated point

I go to far
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Frank, while I admire your inclusive taste in music there is a downside to your point of view. By accepting every composer there is also the tacit acceptance of his or her compositional/rehearsal/teaching/personal process.

It is not really possible to know from a composers music alone what that process may or may not be.

Many composers (and others) are wonderful to work with and many have valuable insights to impart; yet some composers (and others) are inarticulate, pedantic, inappropriate, and dare I say it -- abusive. *

 The results may be similar but I know whom I would rather work with.

Phil Fried

*the above sentence  with "inappropriate, abusive, and dare I say it -- dull." ain't so good

Thursday, March 20, 2008, 11:15:18 AM

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sequenza21 reply re-Alex Ross
By: Philip Fried Date: Mar 20, 2008 - 01:35 PM

http://www.sequenza21.com/index.php/730



Comment from Phil Fried
Time: March 18, 2008, 2:47 pm

If there is any criticism about Mr. Ross’s book or his reviews its simply this; that his writings reflect the “current” spirit of our “American” times.



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new music performers -full or part time?
By: Philip Fried Date: Mar 19, 2008 - 11:29 AM



One of the interesting and missing discussions on New music box and sequenza21 (except seq21 being snide)is about new music performers who do not specialise in new music performance. What I mean is those performers who mostly perform standard repertoire and then always include some new stuff on their concerts. Of course many new music specialists spend a lot of time working with the standard rep-it's only that they are "known" as specialists.

It seem to me that these folks often do a better job on new music than the new music specialists.

Is it because they seem to have much more varied interests?

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new music performers -full or part time?
By: Philip Fried Date: Mar 19, 2008 - 11:29 AM



One of the interesting and missing discussions on New music box and sequenza21 (except seq21 being snide)is about new music performers who do not specialise in new music performance. What I mean is those performers who mostly perform standard repertoire and then always include some new stuf on their concerts.  Of course many new music specialists spend a lot of time working with the standard rep-it only that they are "known" as specialists.

It seem to me that these folks often do a better job on new music than the new music specialists.

 Is it because they seem to have much more varied interests?
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yet another 2 nmb replies
By: Philip Fried Date: Apr 25, 2008 - 11:59 PM

I admit it--I'm getting tired of the easy negativity here --so I also try to be funny--well you guessed it! Anyway here is a point it seems that brainacs can be composers but only if they put their brains into the "curation" not the art itself.



http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5548



Carry on...?
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Hey Dave! In the "most wanted song" I did not hear the words..."Carry on."

I thought that phrase was in every hit?...I'm upset--did I miss them?

I quess I just have to soldier on.

Phil Fried







http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5549



This one they get right, yet William manages to find a way to bring it down.--ok dem boys are at it again!!!

a fine subject
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Gerry, Steve, Dennis, and Frank, I was very touched by your comments. I think it reminds us that in some ways we are all in this together.

When you consider that it is just not possible to hear all the music composed during your lifetime during your lifetime - something is bound to be missed.

As to the "victors writing the history" Well, Bach gave Telemann the slip, but it took time.

Phil Fried

Thursday, April 24, 2008, 4:47:36 PM

 --ok dem boys are at it again!!!

ok--don't blame me
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

If you need to get your druthers, other opinions you must smother.

No need for hyperbole-i-age use tons and tons of verbiage

After you've dismissed 'em you can take their thoughts and list them

No need for any tension when your working in your "zone," every idea is your own invention.

Phil Fried Skid-Row University cocktail hour 24/7

Saturday, May 17, 2008, 12:58:49 AM

my jokes are not appreciated -but da bois just don't seem to notice that everyone else has flown the coop-plus creating policy for organizations that you are not an officer is --well...

Perhaps I have to pay some cash-I owe a debt to Ogden Nash
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Is my music as profound as my poetry?

Beats me!

Phil Fried SkidRoe U, Drink'in leads to think'in

Monday, May 19, 2008, 11:31:53 AM



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http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5567



Then again...
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com



"I don't believe that composers of new music sell out. The money's not good enough."

I've been trying to sell out for years! No one will make me an offer!

Phil Fried, Lilliput University, where small minds make small decisions!

Friday, May 02, 2008, 11:46:14 AM





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a positive NMB reply
By: Philip Fried Date: Apr 21, 2008 - 05:20 PM

Ok folks. I've had it up to here with the negitivity--so this time I try to find someway to explain my position, and the position of artistic types everywhere, with this.  As this is a provocative post I think it works!

http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5542




By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

There can be a difference between a composer's vision and what they have to do to reach the mass "audience".

Viva la difference!

Phil Fried

Thursday, April 17, 2008, 11:44:04 AM







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performers who blog
By: Philip Fried Date: Apr 16, 2008 - 09:17 AM

Blogers who are performers create conundrums for us composers that they might not be aware of.

Of course we want them to perform our work, and in the blogesphere since there is no separation or distance between bloggers it is up to the performer to create distance if needed.

Reactions can be as follows:



   1. we want to be performed so we brown nose
   2. we realize that we won't ever get performed so we get snippy
   3. we mis-read the que's of the blogger -this is easy to do as frequent references to their "important" composer clients can look like bragging about their "private" party.
   4. Of course a blog and a resume are not the same- thought I expect there are many who use the blog for promotional purposes(in that case responses are irrelevant anyway)

 I myself took umbrage at one performer who mentioned about-"when we send them compositions" -evidently there really was no open call.  Another problem is language-that is many hide their sonic prejudices behind a veneer of "new music performer."

   1.  Be up front about what your repertoire and preferences are. -everyone respects that
   2. Be factual about performance possibilities and commitments- time is all
   3. be helpful

Thanks!

 anyway



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NMB things get hot in Minnesota
By: Philip Fried Date: Apr 14, 2008 - 11:17 PM

http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5535

The odd thing about be positive about music composition--is that everyone hates it! I have said before that it is easier to criticize other folks ideas than come up with your own anyway this blog dissolves and Chris saves it --I also stand up for myself as you can see best to read above link!



Chris is even handed here-Dennis doen't like this survey--perfers his own--well thats another topic-- Corry or Mr. "D" wants to place himself at the center of this thread even though I am talking to Dennis-- he uses "weasel" words to placate Dennis -- here he doen't seem to understand my objections to Dennis's argument--I love Dennis-an American original-but that does not blind me to unfairness.

By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

I am surprised that Teachers College is interested in this--I thought they were all about k-12 education? (I posted some similar on sq21)

Phil Fried




By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Of course an academic study with controls is in general to be preferred to an anecdotal one. Doesn't the College Music Society do something like this? Don't they collect data from their members?

Of course that would only involve those who were CMS members leaving us independents out.

Perhaps a survey--I took this one, might be used to show just how much we "do" for America rather than just what we "want."

Phil Fried



now that you mention it..
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..Heh. What could that be? Dennis.."

Actually in old Minnesota there was a study done that showed just how much the arts created in generated income for the State-tourism, taxes events, parking etc.

Phil Fried


By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Dennis

You seem quite angry-and I don't seem understand your point. please explain.

Phil Fried



why leave out details?
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

this is it!

MN arts
http://www.arts.state.mn.us/about/facts.htm
Phil Fried




By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Well that's "one" way to interpret the data.

Phil Fried



I disagree with Dennis's argument--the problem here is that Corey thinks my comments are about him and not Dennis further Corey has never hesitated to be direct in his--as you see]


By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Dennis, I disagree with your "reading" of the data--Lets move on.

Phil Fried

Friday, April 11, 2008, 11:34:32 AM


By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Dennis, I disagree with your "reading" of the data--Lets move on.

Phil Fried

Friday, April 11, 2008, 11:34:32 AM


By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Least I repeat myself. LOL

Phil Fried


By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Yes, I think its fair to say we all have agendas.

Phil Fried




By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Yes, Chris-I thought your comments were thoughful.

Phil Fried

Friday, April 11, 2008, 1:28:56 PM


By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Its seems that some folks are really more interested in rehtorical gamesmanship than the issues themselves.

sigh

Phil Fried

Friday, April 11,



Is this post long enough?
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Odd, I thought I was just standing my own ground when the ruff stuff started happening. If I misinterpreted anyone’s "motivation" I have regret.

I didn't think that I expressed "against" anyone except that I was "for" Chris and the MN web site. Rather I merely refused to be drawn in to what seems to me an unfair (all or nothing -everything has to be perfect or its all wrong) attack.

I was not disagreeing with "content" I do agree with Dennis that the artist, unless they make da big bucks, is not respected in America-capitalism ya know. Rather I was trying to avoid this win at all costs prove I'm right prove I'm wrong banter. Which I have to say is pervasive. I admit I was defensive but why not? Corey you call me on the carpet---only then do you call for calm from all of us. I don't expect you to be Gandhi but it looked a little --well anyway.

Though I do present my opinion it is never my intension to try convincing others that it is correct. As to the importance of my own opinion I have no illusions.

Perhaps I am mistaken there as well.

Phil Fried





to DC sequenza21 rply
By: Philip Fried Date: Apr 6, 2008 - 09:13 PM

http://www.sequenza21.com/index.php/750#comment-14138

For me this music never lets loose. Just when you want or expect a “song” (towards the end)you don’t get one –too composed for me. This work is also very dependent on its title for its ironic content as it could be about any business trip (if I heard the text correctly there is no mention of war at all). David, supporting American soldiers who lay down their lives for our country is not the same as supporting the government that sent them. Illustrating a dead soldier’s experience which is real, of course ennobles them. Perhaps you might wish to create a work of a different character maybe something about Abu Grahib or the government who sent them??
Phil Fried
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even more nmb replies
By: Philip Fried Date: Apr 6, 2008 - 05:12 PM

http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5524

Some folks who find that facts do not interfere at all with their point of view, bloging for them is to spin their web insights which are a self created world--that in itself is interesting --but not always their content.

on second thought

By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"...Virtuosity is dying (I think, and hope)..."

Kotch, have you looked at youtubes top music vids? some fast guitar eh?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QjA5faZF1A8

As to Mr. Connick, Schadenfreude is not an opinion.

Phil Fried Friday, April 04, 2008, 2:12:41 PM

http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5527

The problem here is different;

Mr. Stone in essence describes his difficult life as a successful composers, traveling the world without mentioning --well the details. Nothing better describes the difference between those who are insiders that is those who blog from inside NMB and those who are outsiders.

Chris Becker asks for answers, yet we can see how the academic world of composition tries to show how its victimised, and thereby loses all sence of preportion.

they call me Dr. ...

By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

I have a day job as a licenced elementrary instrumental and classroom music teacher with the Saint Paul Public schools. This fact sometimes places me in some very odd situations, you do pay a price for independence- but its worth it.



a question of scale?

By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..They receive a small stipend (currently $21000) that's just enough to scrape by;.."



$21,000.00 small?

Well I'm moving to Lilliput.

Phil Fried

By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..Unless one is full-time at a reputable institution..."

Todd, please forgive me--but would you kindly provide us with a list of disreputable institutions.

It could save us all a whole lot of time and trouble. respectfully,

Phil Fried


By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..As to how far 21K will go in NYC, that's not even worth arguing about..."

Todd, I am aware that not all folks, or graduate students, have the same financial needs, resources, or responsibilities. Its still seems like a lot of money.

Phil Fried, professor at Skidroe U. a most disreputable institution.


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nmb reply
By: Philip Fried Date: Apr 3, 2008 - 03:15 PM



 http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5511

Lets be big for a change


By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

I think that there are a lot more similarities between and within composers than we usually acknowledge. For example; there are those composers who use sound as a building block, and those composers "who" use sound as an end in itself.

Perhaps its too simplistic. Phil Fried

Friday, March 28, 2008, 12:20:55 PM

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Darcy James reply--something new rhythm
By: Philip Fried Date: Apr 2, 2008 - 06:15 PM

http://secretsociety.typepad.com/darcy_james_argues_secret/2008/03/till-this-bitte.html?cid=109193732#comment-109193732



The bass line mentioned would work very well with irrational measures as it includes only two different durations;eighth notes and quarter note triplets. really-two different tempos So;

2/4, 4/quarter triplets, 2/4, 3/quarter triplets,
2/4, 4/quarter triplets, 2/4, 4/quarter triplets(sorry no good symbol on keyboard)

The bass part will sometimes align with the "uber beat" 4/4, but not always. Thats enough to upset the rhythmic apple cart.

Phil Fried

Phil,

This is, in fact, exactly what Kyle Gann proposed, and exactly what I did in the final example in the original post.

As discussed in my followup post (and elaborated on in the comments), the original notation aligns with the 4/4 grid provided you are subdividing in 3.

Posted by: DJA | 02 April 2008 at 07:59 PM

oppsey--thats what happens when you don't follow up!
Great go'in Kyle, but in my own defense I might point out that there might be a difference between 2 measures 2/4, 2/triplet quarters-- and single combined measure [2/4 plus 2/3 quarters].
oh forget it!!!

Posted by: Phil Fried | 02 April 2008 at 07:11 PM



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NMB again!
By: Philip Fried Date: Mar 27, 2008 - 08:03 PM



 http://www.newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5509

lets be big for a change
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

I always thought that the great struggle in music was elegance VS emotion. All other musical issues stem from this.

Phil Fried



Hazards of the job...
By Chris Becker - beckermusic@yahoo.com

The problem is what the artist "sees" doesn't always jibe with what the audience "sees." And I think it is the artist's job to do just that - broadcast honestly what they are seeing out there in the world. But this often results in bad reviews, pelted fruit or being burned alive at the stake :(

Tuesday, March 25, 2008, 1:53:20 PM

n a positive note...
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..- broadcast honestly what they are seeing out there in the world. But this often results in bad reviews, pelted fruit or being burned alive at the stake :( .."

Why the negativity Chris? Artistic honesty is just as likely to create a successful career. Especially if one--dare I say it--finds their audience.

Phil Fried

Tuesday, March 25, 2008, 5:33:05 PM


By Chris Becker - beckermusic@yahoo.com

"Artistic honesty is just as likely to create a successful career."

Sorry, Phil. I was just trying to be melodramatic while making a point.

I'd only add that if as a composer you've composed and presented to the public a piece you believe in but it isn't being embraced by a large or beyond a niche audience, that certainly doesn't mean you the creator have done something "wrong" and are in need of an attitude adjustment. In fact, it may indicate that you are indeed onto something very profound that folks around you might need some time to catch up with.

There's a great emphasis in New York City on composers being "professional" and engaging in "audience outreach," and sometimes, I think this celebration of a business like demeanor and good public speaking skills distracts us from whether or not people are being moved by the music of such pros...Think of your contemporary musical heroes and heroines; didn't they all at some point in their careers piss someone off? Do they have an album that noone bought at the time but now people revere as a "desert island disc"? Did they ever have to fund their own work, argue with a producer or disengage from society for awhile in order to maintain their artistic honesty?

I don't think things are so simple when it comes to our audiences. And I can't craft what I do thinking about such things. I want to take my audience into a timeless zone when I play. But people either get you or they don't. And sometimes you get those blank looks back atcha. Or a cup of beer thrown at your head :)

P.S. I want to add that most of my collaborators would not describe me as "negative." Quite the opposite. And I do have writing, public speaking and networking skills that I have put to use in order to get my music out there. I'm not sure if this comes across via the blogosphere - but I feel I have some perspective on this issue, and I just want to share it. Honestly :)

Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 10:04:27 AM

Ups and downs
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Your right Chris. Composers can have many more downs than ups and they hurt. By its very nature being on the edge means that you can get worn down.

Perhaps you might understand that different composers, and in different locations and times, can have very different experiences.

I myself was part of an outreach with the MN Orchestra. They asked me to compose something "extreme." Wow! I went to town as they say. As a independent serial composer that was incredibly gratifying for me especially when many "new music ensembles" won't perform this "style." One experience like that can float you emotionally for years.

Before we moved to MN, when we lived in NYC I couldn't get arrested! Well, I'm a patient man, with a short memory.

Phil Fried

Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 11:02:39 AM







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yet again NMB replies
By: Philip Fried Date: Mar 25, 2008 - 05:22 PM

http://www.newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5502

Colin questions the over emphasis of warhorses in concerts.

I disagree with 4change as there is a lot of educational materials out there.

good idea
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..I'd like to see more composers take an active interest in pedagogy..."

I think that there is a great deal of great material already out there-though a lot of it is hard to find, and some of it is out of print. Recently. Nikki Melville commissioned 12 composers with this idea in mind. I'm sure there are many others I don't know about. Perhaps we could make a list or promote the ones we (AMC) have?

Phil Fried

Wednesday, March 19, 20

"WR" crashes the party flamin' composers in that nasty self satisfied way that folks get when they are not really involved

time will tell
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..If current levels of institutional lethargy and intellectual uncuriosity remain stable, no composer born after 1950 has even the slightest chance of pushing the warhorses out..."

The question as who will compose the next warhorse, is not a question that can be answered by us composers. One of the challenges of being a composer is that much of our career depends on the activity of others; conductors, colleagues, panels, and of course, the public. The good news is that new music continues to have a place in "public" concerts.

Reginald De Koven was very popular in his day yet he did not have any lasting success. Anyway, time will tell for all of us.

Phil Fried

Monday, March 24, 2008, 3:26:12 PM

say what?
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..My point was, of course, that IF you want to complain about yet another Rach. 2 performance, you should try to be more realistic about why it's being performed instead of new music. .."

Nope. I couldn't disagree more.

Not "instead of new music"--perhaps instead of Brahms or Mozart.

Phil Fried

Monday, March 24, 2008, 4:01:43 PM

are composers delusional?
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

hhmmmm?

Well, perhaps no more than other artists and certainly no more delusional than those folks who claim that the "canon" is a closed book.

Phil Fried

Monday, March 24, 2008, 11:03:09 PM

Ryan joins the party again to say everyone is wrong



the needs of the many...
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..You omitted the portion where he said he speaks from a perspective of the audience,.."

I thought people only spoke for themselves.

Hate is not an opinion. Or is it?

Phil Fried

a flame is a flame is a flame
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..I sure didn't intend hate, and am sorry if that's what my posts conveyed. .."

"..Second, the idea that someone hanging out here has what it takes to write a piano concerto that, if performed, will be as adored by the audience (and therefore, by pianists) as the Rach 2...well, that's a joke, right? .."

WR I hope you don't mind if I question your, and Ryan's, veracity. As to us making "you" unwelcome?

Have a nice day

Phil Fried

Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 10:16:21 AM

balme and flame?
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..I just think that most composers do not have the interest or the tools or the know-how to discuss aspects of music beyond their specific discipline and training...."

Why is that so many unnamed posters feel or pretend to feel that their limited personal experience with composers (or their "friends" experience) is somehow the "central experience" of the new music world of our time?

I know that the bar for the internet is set really really low but there is a difference between opinion and fact.

Phil Fried

Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 2:09:03 PM



only because you made me
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..I'm saying that I think performers get exposed to new music too late in life, .."

Well 4 change I just have to point out that you are very uninformed.

On the elementary k-12 front - there is too much leveled original, new music out there--so much in fact that the numbers go into the 10's of thousands. go check with MENC. What we could use, that is what we educators who teach instrumental music could use, is not original materials as we have way too much--but high quality arrangements of --dare I say it-the classics in all ensemble types.

Phil Fried

Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 7:21:31 PM

Exactly as it should be
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..Phil, I often agree with the things you say here, but this statement is just dishonest...."

Naturally, Ryan I expect everyone to question my veracity as well.

My apologies if I was too strident or defensive, but my behavior right or wrong does not excuse anyone else's bad behavior.

Let me ask this; why is it so hard to make a statement in support of an idea without recourse to negativity?

Phil Fried

Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 7:31:11 PM



$20,000.00 dollars
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..I don't mind at all. So, do you, then? Have what it takes to write a Rach 2?..."

Commission me and find out.

Phil FRied

Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 8:51:40 PM



cash up front-please
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

You should also commission:

Colin

Ryan

William

Corey

David Cole

and the whole NMB crew!, and thanks for asking!

Phil Fried

Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 8:59:50 PM

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