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my new CD now on innova
By: Philip Fried Date: Jun 6, 2008 - 01:28 PM

http://innova.mu/artist1.asp?skuID=334

I'm the last of 12, nice work if you can get it.

Of course my first recording is of my educational materials.



Phil

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this weeks NMB
By: Philip Fried Date: Jun 6, 2008 - 11:41 AM

OK folks more on wild bill William -the happy go luck apparatchik!

he shows us 2 things an inability to read others posts and his lack of knoledge of art history

at the end bill sends me a personal note--that he also sent to everyone else saying its his last post!! we will see

http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5589




By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

The "third stream" classical/popular music connection has been around a lot longer than we think. We tend to forget that a opera singer, Robert Merrill, had a No. 1 "hit parade" hit as a pop singer in the 1940's. "the whiffenpoof song"

As always it still seems that the modernist/anti-modernist conflict is still the only arts debate in town-when in fact its not. What of the outsiders and insiders regardless of style?

There was a time when composers had to chose following either Brahms or Wagner. I think that time is past? Isn't it?

Phil Fried, Big Boss of the University of Lilliput



Right to the point
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..Even for something like the Tristan prelude I'd use the term 'extended tonality' and save the term 'chromaticism' for only very specific passages in that work..."

Kill Joy!

Phil Fried, U of Lilliput



a thought
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

When the dust of history settles all that is left is the art. Why so much fascination with the Venus de Milo? Well perhaps its because for some this statue reveals the entire golden age at a single glance. Wether that golden age is a mental construct, a belief, or a lie, or all three is besides the point.

Its Art that makes history live.

Phil Fried, Lilliput U. underpaid, overworked



If you wish apon a star..
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"...What if someone wrote...Would it help if someone... what might happen if..."

Bill, I just don't want to play the "what if" game.

sorry.

Phil Fried, chicken little professor at skid-roe U.



debate as a one way street
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"Well perhaps its because for some this statue reveals the entire golden age at a single glance. "

William if you took the trouble to read my posts carefully (or others also), you might have noticed that the above qualifier "for some" in fact means that I understood that this idea was not universal. Rather it was in response to your post which did claim such universality.

You might also have noticed that the Venus I was referring to is not a painting.

Phil Fried, 2 for 1 concerto special-operators are standing by!




By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

a Venus is not an Aphrodite

Lefty Lucy is not a righty tighty

a day-e is not worn in the nighty

a Venus is not an Aphrodite

A Roman is certainly not a Greek

but if they were, perhaps it would be chic

Then again their parents, they might freak

If Roman pretended to be Greek.



the Aphrodite de Milo

I just read her bio

Its played on a xylo

outside of Cairo

but just between us

She's known here as "Venus"

If you must spleen thus

your on your own.

Phil Fried, -no comment



ah, we get the point!
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Well Bill, If I didn't know the difference between a painting and a statue, I would avoid talking about art as well.

Phil Fried



the good old days
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

In chat rooms they used to, and still, have an ignore button that makes the trolls and such miraculously disappear from the thread.

I'd like to see that updated to blogs.

Phil Fried



hi ho the rattl'in blog
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

" Has it been difficult to find women bloggers?"

I just can't get Janet to blog-I've tried --she has given me suggestions sometimes. One of Janet's students, a Mezzo, blogs but only on the subject of baseball. Well I suppose that some folks actually have lives they might need to attend to instead of staring at a computer screen till their eye balls melt.

I promised Janet that I would only do it till I needed glasses.

Phil Fried, married man



the background.
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

What some folks don't realize here is that Bill is an ideologue, a follower of a strict political philosophy. All of his posts reflect this.

Central to this philosophy is the following:

1)Power corrupts

2)Elucidating every example of the above (which is a continuous and infinite process) is the highest goal- there is no implied civic duty to change anything by action. Action might lead to power that would corrupt.

3)My way or the highway-there can be no debate-- only a choice of sides and my side is always right.

As Steve mentioned he had no problem with composers with unsavory political connections because its all about the music. On that line of thought (I'm not sure I agree with) we must also accept William as a composer. However every post he makes will be noth'in but nit pick'in.

Phil Fried, who knows the difference between the Renaissance and 140 BC.



thats it!!
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..this medium has allowed us to voice our respective opinions and accept the differences. "

I agree!!

Phil Fried, U of Lilliput, small decisions require small minds!



Have you or have you not ever been performed by the absolute ensemble?
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..It helps create a kind of cultural hegemony that indirectly justifies the economic and political hegemony of Wall Street. .."

Absolutely!! oppsey--sorry Bill, no "absolutes" around here!

I think everyone respects your work on equality Bill, its just that you mention it again, and again and again. Oh, you didn't mention if that particular activity preceded your becoming an ideologue or not. If not, more power to you that's a flexibility you might want to show more.

Phil, not Chris, and not that "other" Phil either!!



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composing for choir and MN choir at that!




By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

But when one chooses a different approach,whether it be text, sound, or concept, is there inherently a harder sell required to get the piece performed?

I agree with you. I think it is. 2 things;

There is the question of the choir "sound." For some choir directors their sound comes before all other artistic considerations. So they look for works that are confluent with that sound.

The question of available rehearsal time certainly comes into play here. The advantage of rehearsal time goes to choirs at music festivals and schools. In my experience many professional choirs just don't have time to rehearse say a "serial" work to the required perfection.

I continue to hope that performing ensembles will embrace risk.

Phil Fried, available at partial day rates



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geographical oddities
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

I agree. This would seem to be a great opportunity for commissioning new works-graduations and such.

On a different front, as a elementary music teacher, I have had to fight many times and lose just as much to have the Elgar (or something like it) performed and performed live in school graduations.

Phil Fried, 2 for 1 concerto special, operators standing by!!

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Its amazing how potent cheap music is
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Well, I'm not sure that Steve Miller ever composed a "new" song.

"Abra-abra cadabra I wanna reach out.."

Phil Fried, 2 for 1 concerto special-operators are standing by.































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this weeks NMB replioes
By: Philip Fried Date: May 26, 2008 - 10:25 AM

http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5580





A cliché a day keeps the doctor away
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Well for me, I'm buged when there is more focus on the "instrument" then on the music it plays.

On another cliché front entirely, when conductors program "crowd pleasing junk", and then advertise how much courage it took to program it!!

Phil Fried, Skidroe U. Free Beer!

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By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"If there was some kind of music I could spit out on a daily basis with the consistently high quality of Mozart's, Bach's, or Schubert's, I wouldn't be wasting my time blogging. "

Colin, there is a difference between real time and hindsight. If a composers music happens to be high quality, sometimes they are the last one to know.

Phil Fried Skid Row U, home of the .000007K rum run

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http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5589

again William seems only interested in his own opinions

 By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

The "third stream" classical/popular music connection has been around a lot longer than we think. We tend to forget that a opera singer, Robert Merrill, had a No. 1 "hit parade" hit as a pop singer in the 1940's. "the whiffenpoof song"

As always it still seems that the modernist/anti-modernist conflict is still the only arts debate in town-when in fact its not. What of the outsiders and insiders regardless of style?

There was a time when composers had to chose following either Brahms or Wagner. I think that time is past? Isn't it?

Phil Fried, Big Boss of the University of Lilliput

these folks get way to serious

right to the point
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"..Even for something like the Tristan prelude I'd use the term 'extended tonality' and save the term 'chromaticism' for only very specific passages in that work..."

Kill Joy!

Phil Fried, U of Lilliput



http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5591

An interesting topic-but again some folks just have to vent-be this question does interest me as I have heard this pronounced bith ways-of course a question like this also offers folks a chance to show there-well interests.

hold that tiger
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

As long as we are on that subject. Would you rhyme or not? That is, would the word symmetry be rendered as sim-i-tri, or sim-i-tree? Sorry I forgot my IPA!

Phil Fried, skidroe U when nothing but lowered expectations will do!





now seriously...
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

The question you ask, about the balance between words and music, is an artistic one so the answers are unlimited.

One could generalize about approaches; the songwriter is more interested in the words and a style, the composer is not chained to the song form or the use of rhymes. Then again generalization are invariable wrong as exceptions abound.

What is I think a much more difficult issue for all composers, and one that crosses all music is good scansion.

Phil Fried Skid-Roe U -Free Beer!

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Phil's weekly round up o' posts
By: Philip Fried Date: May 24, 2008 - 11:29 AM

 Well I just got a McKnight fellowship!!!

hows that for a Birthday present!!



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By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

"If there was some kind of music I could spit out on a daily basis with the consistently high quality of Mozart's, Bach's, or Schubert's, I wouldn't be wasting my time blogging. "

Colin, there is a difference between real time and hindsight. If a composers music happens to be high quality, sometimes they are the last one to know.

Phil Fried Skid Row U, home of the .000007K rum run



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now that you mention it
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

I must say that my compositional carrear has had many highlights but none that could compare to my joy of dressing a drag queen as "Jakie O'Latern" for a Holloween party some years back. You see I had to find just the right orange hounds tooth (orange and white)A line Dress to fit a man about 6.2-and did it fit!! You Bettcha!! You know he was the belle of the ball!!

Most amusing was his trying to explain me to his friends. Well I have a hobby Dammit!

Oh, I don't do hair and make up!

Phil Fried, your personal shopper-for a price!

Tuesday, May 20, 2008, 10:19:52 PM

another view
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

I think that the subject of Fashion and music would take a lot of folks out of their comfort zones.

To say a composer is fashionable, or the "composer of the moment", to some is also a slight. Well the kind of slight one laughs at all the way to the bank. We instinctively know that the fashionable public can be manipulated by high powered PR firms, the gratuity of high position, even by things extra musical.

In any event what makes a composer or their music fashionable is really more about the fashionable publics relationship to the music -- not about the music itself.

Phil Fried, chicken little scholar University of Lilliput

Friday, May 23, 2008, 4:23:32 PM

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http://www.sequenza21.com/index.php/793#comments

Time: May 21, 2008, 12:03 am

Remember folks — as the NY Times states:

Bang on a Can is not political, .... or are they?









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ok yet another NMB reply
By: Philip Fried Date: May 16, 2008 - 11:45 PM

http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5577

 composers and their influences



glancing back
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

I would think that our relationship to other musics and our own is in constant flux. So many changes occur in our lives both professional and otherwise; expectations, opportunities, relationships --anyway my music and my ears has changed with them.

I never thought that one "time" was better than another though hopefully I still have a few more to go.

I suppose the difficult thing is to try to recapture one of our earlier incarnations intact because memory is also a lense. Then again, perhaps it would be no harder than to imagine the music of the future. (not the old "music of the future" the new--oh forget it!).

Phil Fried

University of Lilliput Small minds for small decisions



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a letter from MN--- about gay rights
By: Philip Fried Date: May 7, 2008 - 08:22 PM

 a letter I had to print:

Please read the email below.  It seems that there is nothing we can do

at this point except articulate to others the reality of

discrimination....even in 2008.



Thank you.



 Luverne Seifert <seife014@umn.edu> 04/26/08 2:20 PM >>>

Friends,



I have recently learned that Randy Winkler, full-time theatre faculty

member at Concordia University in St. Paul has been fired from his

position. The college has stated that Mr. Winkler left for personal

reasons. This, however, is not the truth. Mr. Winkler’s long time

partner Joe, was recently in a production at the Chanhassen Dinner

Theatre. In his program bio, he thanked his partner, Randy Winkler. An



audience member brought a copy of the program to Concordia University

president, Robert Holst. Mr. Winkler was promptly fired for engaging in



a relationship that was considered immoral by this extremely

conservative Lutheran university.



Randy has since signed an agreement with the University that states he



left for personal reasons. There is little to be done to reinstate him,



however a letter or e-mail to the president of the University would be



greatly appreciated. The e-mail address of the president is Robert

Holst

at holst@csp.edu



This event is a chilling reminder of the times we are in. These

ultra-conservative private Christian Universities/Institutions (and we



know they are not alone) continue to practice blatant and formidable

discrimination against humanity. Even in the (supposed) most liberal

states, private institutions can still discriminate freely without any



repercussions. I ask you not to allow this most recent injustice to

disappear without at least a brief message to this bigoted

administration.





Thank you,



Luverne





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By: Philip Fried Date: Apr 25, 2008 - 11:59 PM

I admit it--I'm getting tired of the easy negativity here --so I also try to be funny--well you guessed it! Anyway here is a point it seems that brainacs can be composers but only if they put their brains into the "curation" not the art itself.



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Carry on...?
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Hey Dave! In the "most wanted song" I did not hear the words..."Carry on."

I thought that phrase was in every hit?...I'm upset--did I miss them?

I quess I just have to soldier on.

Phil Fried







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This one they get right, yet William manages to find a way to bring it down.--ok dem boys are at it again!!!

a fine subject
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Gerry, Steve, Dennis, and Frank, I was very touched by your comments. I think it reminds us that in some ways we are all in this together.

When you consider that it is just not possible to hear all the music composed during your lifetime during your lifetime - something is bound to be missed.

As to the "victors writing the history" Well, Bach gave Telemann the slip, but it took time.

Phil Fried

Thursday, April 24, 2008, 4:47:36 PM

 --ok dem boys are at it again!!!

ok--don't blame me
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

If you need to get your druthers, other opinions you must smother.

No need for hyperbole-i-age use tons and tons of verbiage

After you've dismissed 'em you can take their thoughts and list them

No need for any tension when your working in your "zone," every idea is your own invention.

Phil Fried Skid-Row University cocktail hour 24/7

Saturday, May 17, 2008, 12:58:49 AM

my jokes are not appreciated -but da bois just don't seem to notice that everyone else has flown the coop-plus creating policy for organizations that you are not an officer is --well...

Perhaps I have to pay some cash-I owe a debt to Ogden Nash
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com

Is my music as profound as my poetry?

Beats me!

Phil Fried SkidRoe U, Drink'in leads to think'in

Monday, May 19, 2008, 11:31:53 AM

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