say what hieshbre?
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
"..It is the music educators that have a huge role in how the students develop their performing arts talents, because they are the ones who decide how much money music departments get..."
This is a joke right? In 20 years in the public schools I have never had a direct part in my own budget. Nor do I know any teacher who gets to decide their own budget. I can't even count on having a room to teach in from year to year. Sigh.
By the way my wife Janet went to Aquinas Collage.
Phil Fried, itinerate elementary band specialist Saint Paul Public Schools
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ok-ok another NMB reply
By: Philip Fried Date: Jun 14, 2008 - 02:38 PM
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Frank asks us to ask a question. Again Willy O, after promising to never blog again and is back with the same stock "mystification" answers-and pleased with himself that he can find a mistake in Colin, and out Molly--again showing that a non-profit and a for profit have different rules for bloging.
I go a little to far on my "list" I think but why not?
Note:I was turned down for the travel grant for this very event!! (oh-that in no way informs my opinion)--I swear!
as long as you asked
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
".. to voice their thoughts about what the organizations representing the performing arts in the United States should be talking about this week..."
A glance at the artistic side of this conference didn't turn up anything that concerns my work. So here is my list:
The status quo.
Blogging strategies for maintaining distance and power. (How to talk down to people with out them knowing it)
Domesticating the Avant-garde.
New music, and without those pesky composers types.
Multiculturalism without poor folks.
Composer makeovers!
Education lip service! or why there is more money in replacing k-12 music teachers than in supporting them.
Music smuzik--Its all in the description! Artistic editorial you've got to spin it to win it.
Why are celebrities and glamour still so important?
Why appearances are reality.
Whose opinions can we safely ignore?
Why gate keepers make the best artistic leaders.
Sonic prejudice and how to maintain it.
The uneducated audience a problem or an opportunity?
Phil Fried, U of Lilliput, 12 centimeter beer run!
back on topic
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
while there is still time...
I was just at a panel discussion out here and the following points came up..
Why is the importance of the arts ignored by the mainstream (TV and print) media and what can we do to change this?
Since the mainstream media is dropping its arts and "classical" music critics and arts reporting in general what can be done to bring us back into focus?
Phil
Willy O, repeats what I say then, against topic, answers the first part himself. it seems that he has no questions.Now he predicates all his pronocements with maybe!!!! Yea Right!!!
below is a personal note I sent to Colin about his tussel with Willy
Colin writes:
"..In fact, kowtowing to audience-development pressure in the way you compose may actually damage your work's reception: Listeners, especially listeners under 65, can smell inauthenticity a mile away.."
Colin I get it--but perhaps the over 65 comment was unwarranted--you don't want William "I'll never blog again" to look good do ya?
Also I'm not sure what context them's opera companies told you that the MET was mess'in with them but overall regional music theater is doing great!
I wonder, and I could be wrong, that this has something to do with their not commissioning new works or taking on composers or risking trying new singers? Some folks, even in leadership positions, like to complain even if they don't have to or just to change the subject to where to they are more comfortable.
Now if them opera folks were telling you that the MET's focus on the visual aspects of the art instead of on pure singing and fach, or that their live telecasts with their ability for super close ups, were too informing their staging to the detriment of the audience--that would be different.
Then again it is also an opportunity.
Phil
downhill from here it seems us folks who didn't go to the party are crybabies
say what?
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
Actually, I attended this conference a few years back- to see the undersecretary of Education talk about "No Child Left Behind" and its supposed support for the arts.
Well ya see on a web page somewhere buried on their government website they do say that the arts are a fine thing.
IT'S JUST THAT PRINCIPALS WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS IF THEY KIDS DON"T PASS TESTS.
If the Principals cut the arts programs or think that an after school program of 10 violinists is an arts program -well thats too bad.
Phil Fried
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this is about the need to sell new music.
Its amazing how potent cheap music is
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
Well, I'm not sure that Steve Miller ever composed a "new" song.
"Abra-abra cadabra I wanna reach out.."
Phil Fried, 2 for 1 concerto special-operators are standing by.
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http://www.sequenza21.com/index.php/821#comments
about Charles W.'s new opera Brokeback Mt.
Comment from Phil Fried
Time: June 14, 2008, 4:00 pm
I’m happy that I’m not the only one still composing serial opera seria.
Did I say that?
Phil Fried
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http://www.sequenza21.com/forum/?p=87#comment-22536
Comment from phil fried
Time: June 14, 2008, 6:41 pm
about copyrights--again!
I think I have to put forth the idea of bread and circuses here. Free entertainment always comes with a price. (even if it is indirect).
Phil Fried
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About the irony of education and teaching why don't the big shots teach core classes?
Comment from phil fried
Time: June 14, 2008, 7:26 pm
“..I suppose this irony extends across the entire American education system: elementary school teachers are “more important” than college professors–since everyone by law must attend elementary school but not college. And yet the prestige is in teaching college–not kindergarten…”
David you have this reversed–In education its the teachers who teach the fewest students that are deemed the most important. Even with the same salary level those with fewer contact hours have the “better” jobs. Jobs and fellowships where you don’t have to teach at all are considered the best.
Phil Fried
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my new CD now on innova
By: Philip Fried Date: Jun 6, 2008 - 01:28 PM
http://innova.mu/artist1.asp?skuID=334
I'm the last of 12, nice work if you can get it.
Of course my first recording is of my educational materials.
Phil
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this weeks NMB
By: Philip Fried Date: Jun 6, 2008 - 11:41 AM
OK folks more on wild bill William -the happy go luck apparatchik!
he shows us 2 things an inability to read others posts and his lack of knoledge of art history
at the end bill sends me a personal note--that he also sent to everyone else saying its his last post!! we will see
http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5589
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
The "third stream" classical/popular music connection has been around a lot longer than we think. We tend to forget that a opera singer, Robert Merrill, had a No. 1 "hit parade" hit as a pop singer in the 1940's. "the whiffenpoof song"
As always it still seems that the modernist/anti-modernist conflict is still the only arts debate in town-when in fact its not. What of the outsiders and insiders regardless of style?
There was a time when composers had to chose following either Brahms or Wagner. I think that time is past? Isn't it?
Phil Fried, Big Boss of the University of Lilliput
Right to the point
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
"..Even for something like the Tristan prelude I'd use the term 'extended tonality' and save the term 'chromaticism' for only very specific passages in that work..."
Kill Joy!
Phil Fried, U of Lilliput
a thought
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
When the dust of history settles all that is left is the art. Why so much fascination with the Venus de Milo? Well perhaps its because for some this statue reveals the entire golden age at a single glance. Wether that golden age is a mental construct, a belief, or a lie, or all three is besides the point.
Its Art that makes history live.
Phil Fried, Lilliput U. underpaid, overworked
If you wish apon a star..
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
"...What if someone wrote...Would it help if someone... what might happen if..."
Bill, I just don't want to play the "what if" game.
sorry.
Phil Fried, chicken little professor at skid-roe U.
debate as a one way street
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
"Well perhaps its because for some this statue reveals the entire golden age at a single glance. "
William if you took the trouble to read my posts carefully (or others also), you might have noticed that the above qualifier "for some" in fact means that I understood that this idea was not universal. Rather it was in response to your post which did claim such universality.
You might also have noticed that the Venus I was referring to is not a painting.
Phil Fried, 2 for 1 concerto special-operators are standing by!
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
a Venus is not an Aphrodite
Lefty Lucy is not a righty tighty
a day-e is not worn in the nighty
a Venus is not an Aphrodite
A Roman is certainly not a Greek
but if they were, perhaps it would be chic
Then again their parents, they might freak
If Roman pretended to be Greek.
the Aphrodite de Milo
I just read her bio
Its played on a xylo
outside of Cairo
but just between us
She's known here as "Venus"
If you must spleen thus
your on your own.
Phil Fried, -no comment
ah, we get the point!
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
Well Bill, If I didn't know the difference between a painting and a statue, I would avoid talking about art as well.
Phil Fried
the good old days
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
In chat rooms they used to, and still, have an ignore button that makes the trolls and such miraculously disappear from the thread.
I'd like to see that updated to blogs.
Phil Fried
hi ho the rattl'in blog
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
" Has it been difficult to find women bloggers?"
I just can't get Janet to blog-I've tried --she has given me suggestions sometimes. One of Janet's students, a Mezzo, blogs but only on the subject of baseball. Well I suppose that some folks actually have lives they might need to attend to instead of staring at a computer screen till their eye balls melt.
I promised Janet that I would only do it till I needed glasses.
Phil Fried, married man
the background.
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
What some folks don't realize here is that Bill is an ideologue, a follower of a strict political philosophy. All of his posts reflect this.
Central to this philosophy is the following:
1)Power corrupts
2)Elucidating every example of the above (which is a continuous and infinite process) is the highest goal- there is no implied civic duty to change anything by action. Action might lead to power that would corrupt.
3)My way or the highway-there can be no debate-- only a choice of sides and my side is always right.
As Steve mentioned he had no problem with composers with unsavory political connections because its all about the music. On that line of thought (I'm not sure I agree with) we must also accept William as a composer. However every post he makes will be noth'in but nit pick'in.
Phil Fried, who knows the difference between the Renaissance and 140 BC.
thats it!!
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
"..this medium has allowed us to voice our respective opinions and accept the differences. "
I agree!!
Phil Fried, U of Lilliput, small decisions require small minds!
Have you or have you not ever been performed by the absolute ensemble?
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
"..It helps create a kind of cultural hegemony that indirectly justifies the economic and political hegemony of Wall Street. .."
Absolutely!! oppsey--sorry Bill, no "absolutes" around here!
I think everyone respects your work on equality Bill, its just that you mention it again, and again and again. Oh, you didn't mention if that particular activity preceded your becoming an ideologue or not. If not, more power to you that's a flexibility you might want to show more.
Phil, not Chris, and not that "other" Phil either!!
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composing for choir and MN choir at that!
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
But when one chooses a different approach,whether it be text, sound, or concept, is there inherently a harder sell required to get the piece performed?
I agree with you. I think it is. 2 things;
There is the question of the choir "sound." For some choir directors their sound comes before all other artistic considerations. So they look for works that are confluent with that sound.
The question of available rehearsal time certainly comes into play here. The advantage of rehearsal time goes to choirs at music festivals and schools. In my experience many professional choirs just don't have time to rehearse say a "serial" work to the required perfection.
I continue to hope that performing ensembles will embrace risk.
Phil Fried, available at partial day rates
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geographical oddities
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
I agree. This would seem to be a great opportunity for commissioning new works-graduations and such.
On a different front, as a elementary music teacher, I have had to fight many times and lose just as much to have the Elgar (or something like it) performed and performed live in school graduations.
Phil Fried, 2 for 1 concerto special, operators standing by!!
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Its amazing how potent cheap music is
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
Well, I'm not sure that Steve Miller ever composed a "new" song.
"Abra-abra cadabra I wanna reach out.."
Phil Fried, 2 for 1 concerto special-operators are standing by.
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this weeks NMB replioes
By: Philip Fried Date: May 26, 2008 - 10:25 AM
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A cliché a day keeps the doctor away
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
Well for me, I'm buged when there is more focus on the "instrument" then on the music it plays.
On another cliché front entirely, when conductors program "crowd pleasing junk", and then advertise how much courage it took to program it!!
Phil Fried, Skidroe U. Free Beer!
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By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
"If there was some kind of music I could spit out on a daily basis with the consistently high quality of Mozart's, Bach's, or Schubert's, I wouldn't be wasting my time blogging. "
Colin, there is a difference between real time and hindsight. If a composers music happens to be high quality, sometimes they are the last one to know.
Phil Fried Skid Row U, home of the .000007K rum run
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again William seems only interested in his own opinions
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
The "third stream" classical/popular music connection has been around a lot longer than we think. We tend to forget that a opera singer, Robert Merrill, had a No. 1 "hit parade" hit as a pop singer in the 1940's. "the whiffenpoof song"
As always it still seems that the modernist/anti-modernist conflict is still the only arts debate in town-when in fact its not. What of the outsiders and insiders regardless of style?
There was a time when composers had to chose following either Brahms or Wagner. I think that time is past? Isn't it?
Phil Fried, Big Boss of the University of Lilliput
these folks get way to serious
right to the point
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
"..Even for something like the Tristan prelude I'd use the term 'extended tonality' and save the term 'chromaticism' for only very specific passages in that work..."
Kill Joy!
Phil Fried, U of Lilliput
http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5591
An interesting topic-but again some folks just have to vent-be this question does interest me as I have heard this pronounced bith ways-of course a question like this also offers folks a chance to show there-well interests.
hold that tiger
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
As long as we are on that subject. Would you rhyme or not? That is, would the word symmetry be rendered as sim-i-tri, or sim-i-tree? Sorry I forgot my IPA!
Phil Fried, skidroe U when nothing but lowered expectations will do!
now seriously...
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
The question you ask, about the balance between words and music, is an artistic one so the answers are unlimited.
One could generalize about approaches; the songwriter is more interested in the words and a style, the composer is not chained to the song form or the use of rhymes. Then again generalization are invariable wrong as exceptions abound.
What is I think a much more difficult issue for all composers, and one that crosses all music is good scansion.
Phil Fried Skid-Roe U -Free Beer!
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Phil's weekly round up o' posts
By: Philip Fried Date: May 24, 2008 - 11:29 AM
Well I just got a McKnight fellowship!!!
hows that for a Birthday present!!
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By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
"If there was some kind of music I could spit out on a daily basis with the consistently high quality of Mozart's, Bach's, or Schubert's, I wouldn't be wasting my time blogging. "
Colin, there is a difference between real time and hindsight. If a composers music happens to be high quality, sometimes they are the last one to know.
Phil Fried Skid Row U, home of the .000007K rum run
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now that you mention it
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
I must say that my compositional carrear has had many highlights but none that could compare to my joy of dressing a drag queen as "Jakie O'Latern" for a Holloween party some years back. You see I had to find just the right orange hounds tooth (orange and white)A line Dress to fit a man about 6.2-and did it fit!! You Bettcha!! You know he was the belle of the ball!!
Most amusing was his trying to explain me to his friends. Well I have a hobby Dammit!
Oh, I don't do hair and make up!
Phil Fried, your personal shopper-for a price!
Tuesday, May 20, 2008, 10:19:52 PM
another view
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
I think that the subject of Fashion and music would take a lot of folks out of their comfort zones.
To say a composer is fashionable, or the "composer of the moment", to some is also a slight. Well the kind of slight one laughs at all the way to the bank. We instinctively know that the fashionable public can be manipulated by high powered PR firms, the gratuity of high position, even by things extra musical.
In any event what makes a composer or their music fashionable is really more about the fashionable publics relationship to the music -- not about the music itself.
Phil Fried, chicken little scholar University of Lilliput
Friday, May 23, 2008, 4:23:32 PM
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http://www.sequenza21.com/index.php/793#comments
Time: May 21, 2008, 12:03 am
Remember folks — as the NY Times states:
Bang on a Can is not political, .... or are they?
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ok yet another NMB reply
By: Philip Fried Date: May 16, 2008 - 11:45 PM
http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5577
composers and their influences
glancing back
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
I would think that our relationship to other musics and our own is in constant flux. So many changes occur in our lives both professional and otherwise; expectations, opportunities, relationships --anyway my music and my ears has changed with them.
I never thought that one "time" was better than another though hopefully I still have a few more to go.
I suppose the difficult thing is to try to recapture one of our earlier incarnations intact because memory is also a lense. Then again, perhaps it would be no harder than to imagine the music of the future. (not the old "music of the future" the new--oh forget it!).
Phil Fried
University of Lilliput Small minds for small decisions
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a letter from MN--- about gay rights
By: Philip Fried Date: May 7, 2008 - 08:22 PM
a letter I had to print:
Please read the email below. It seems that there is nothing we can do
at this point except articulate to others the reality of
discrimination....even in 2008.
Thank you.
Luverne Seifert <seife014@umn.edu> 04/26/08 2:20 PM >>>
Friends,
I have recently learned that Randy Winkler, full-time theatre faculty
member at Concordia University in St. Paul has been fired from his
position. The college has stated that Mr. Winkler left for personal
reasons. This, however, is not the truth. Mr. Winkler’s long time
partner Joe, was recently in a production at the Chanhassen Dinner
Theatre. In his program bio, he thanked his partner, Randy Winkler. An
audience member brought a copy of the program to Concordia University
president, Robert Holst. Mr. Winkler was promptly fired for engaging in
a relationship that was considered immoral by this extremely
conservative Lutheran university.
Randy has since signed an agreement with the University that states he
left for personal reasons. There is little to be done to reinstate him,
however a letter or e-mail to the president of the University would be
greatly appreciated. The e-mail address of the president is Robert
Holst
at holst@csp.edu
This event is a chilling reminder of the times we are in. These
ultra-conservative private Christian Universities/Institutions (and we
know they are not alone) continue to practice blatant and formidable
discrimination against humanity. Even in the (supposed) most liberal
states, private institutions can still discriminate freely without any
repercussions. I ask you not to allow this most recent injustice to
disappear without at least a brief message to this bigoted
administration.
Thank you,
Luverne
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yet another 2 nmb replies
By: Philip Fried Date: Apr 25, 2008 - 11:59 PM
I admit it--I'm getting tired of the easy negativity here --so I also try to be funny--well you guessed it! Anyway here is a point it seems that brainacs can be composers but only if they put their brains into the "curation" not the art itself.
http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5548
Carry on...?
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
Hey Dave! In the "most wanted song" I did not hear the words..."Carry on."
I thought that phrase was in every hit?...I'm upset--did I miss them?
I quess I just have to soldier on.
Phil Fried
http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5549
This one they get right, yet William manages to find a way to bring it down.--ok dem boys are at it again!!!
a fine subject
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
Gerry, Steve, Dennis, and Frank, I was very touched by your comments. I think it reminds us that in some ways we are all in this together.
When you consider that it is just not possible to hear all the music composed during your lifetime during your lifetime - something is bound to be missed.
As to the "victors writing the history" Well, Bach gave Telemann the slip, but it took time.
Phil Fried
Thursday, April 24, 2008, 4:47:36 PM
--ok dem boys are at it again!!!
ok--don't blame me
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
If you need to get your druthers, other opinions you must smother.
No need for hyperbole-i-age use tons and tons of verbiage
After you've dismissed 'em you can take their thoughts and list them
No need for any tension when your working in your "zone," every idea is your own invention.
Phil Fried Skid-Row University cocktail hour 24/7
Saturday, May 17, 2008, 12:58:49 AM
my jokes are not appreciated -but da bois just don't seem to notice that everyone else has flown the coop-plus creating policy for organizations that you are not an officer is --well...
Perhaps I have to pay some cash-I owe a debt to Ogden Nash
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
Is my music as profound as my poetry?
Beats me!
Phil Fried SkidRoe U, Drink'in leads to think'in
Monday, May 19, 2008, 11:31:53 AM
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Then again...
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
"I don't believe that composers of new music sell out. The money's not good enough."
I've been trying to sell out for years! No one will make me an offer!
Phil Fried, Lilliput University, where small minds make small decisions!
Friday, May 02, 2008, 11:46:14 AM
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a positive NMB reply
By: Philip Fried Date: Apr 21, 2008 - 05:20 PM
Ok folks. I've had it up to here with the negitivity--so this time I try to find someway to explain my position, and the position of artistic types everywhere, with this. As this is a provocative post I think it works!
http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5542
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
There can be a difference between a composer's vision and what they have to do to reach the mass "audience".
Viva la difference!
Phil Fried
Thursday, April 17, 2008, 11:44:04 AM
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performers who blog
By: Philip Fried Date: Apr 16, 2008 - 09:17 AM
Blogers who are performers create conundrums for us composers that they might not be aware of.
Of course we want them to perform our work, and in the blogesphere since there is no separation or distance between bloggers it is up to the performer to create distance if needed.
Reactions can be as follows:
1. we want to be performed so we brown nose
2. we realize that we won't ever get performed so we get snippy
3. we mis-read the que's of the blogger -this is easy to do as frequent references to their "important" composer clients can look like bragging about their "private" party.
4. Of course a blog and a resume are not the same- thought I expect there are many who use the blog for promotional purposes(in that case responses are irrelevant anyway)
I myself took umbrage at one performer who mentioned about-"when we send them compositions" -evidently there really was no open call. Another problem is language-that is many hide their sonic prejudices behind a veneer of "new music performer."
1. Be up front about what your repertoire and preferences are. -everyone respects that
2. Be factual about performance possibilities and commitments- time is all
3. be helpful
Thanks!
anyway
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NMB things get hot in Minnesota
By: Philip Fried Date: Apr 14, 2008 - 11:17 PM
http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5535
The odd thing about be positive about music composition--is that everyone hates it! I have said before that it is easier to criticize other folks ideas than come up with your own anyway this blog dissolves and Chris saves it --I also stand up for myself as you can see best to read above link!
Chris is even handed here-Dennis doen't like this survey--perfers his own--well thats another topic-- Corry or Mr. "D" wants to place himself at the center of this thread even though I am talking to Dennis-- he uses "weasel" words to placate Dennis -- here he doen't seem to understand my objections to Dennis's argument--I love Dennis-an American original-but that does not blind me to unfairness.
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
I am surprised that Teachers College is interested in this--I thought they were all about k-12 education? (I posted some similar on sq21)
Phil Fried
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
Of course an academic study with controls is in general to be preferred to an anecdotal one. Doesn't the College Music Society do something like this? Don't they collect data from their members?
Of course that would only involve those who were CMS members leaving us independents out.
Perhaps a survey--I took this one, might be used to show just how much we "do" for America rather than just what we "want."
Phil Fried
now that you mention it..
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
"..Heh. What could that be? Dennis.."
Actually in old Minnesota there was a study done that showed just how much the arts created in generated income for the State-tourism, taxes events, parking etc.
Phil Fried
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
Dennis
You seem quite angry-and I don't seem understand your point. please explain.
Phil Fried
why leave out details?
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
this is it!
MN arts
http://www.arts.state.mn.us/about/facts.htm
Phil Fried
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
Well that's "one" way to interpret the data.
Phil Fried
I disagree with Dennis's argument--the problem here is that Corey thinks my comments are about him and not Dennis further Corey has never hesitated to be direct in his--as you see]
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
Dennis, I disagree with your "reading" of the data--Lets move on.
Phil Fried
Friday, April 11, 2008, 11:34:32 AM
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
Dennis, I disagree with your "reading" of the data--Lets move on.
Phil Fried
Friday, April 11, 2008, 11:34:32 AM
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
Least I repeat myself. LOL
Phil Fried
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com
Yes, I think its fair to say we all have agendas.
Phil Fried
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