Some more posts on these same topics--I get the last word it seems --I told Steve about the discussion so he could chime in. Milton is and was much more than described in NMB.
Well its been a stressful week. I'm afraid that I'm not finding much in NMB these days to agree with besides Frank. So here we go...
http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=6764
For my personal thoughts, some of them anyway, look here: Phil's Blog
Phil Fried
http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=6732
Phil Fried
Phil's happy page
Saturday, January 15, 2011, 10:34:47 PM
http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=6757
Phil Fried
Phil Fried's reviewers welcome home page
Friday, January 28, 2011, 10:01:34 AM
True Kyle.
Except for blog posts.
Phil Fried
Phil's brief page
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Robb, why not? I can't think of any work of non fiction that does not in the end reveal the authors biases. What would make any like book rewarding to me are the insights filtered through the lens of the authors point of view. Perhaps I'm being a Devil's advocate but your age restrictions already creates one such lens.
Why not embrace it?
Phil Fried
Phil's Bias against Bias's page
Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 11:08:27 PM
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Certainly it's more ingratiating to tell folks what they want to hear rather than the truth.
Phil Fried
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Frank, in one guise or another being a "middleman" has been around for centuries. There is always money to be made selling a thing or service that someone else makes. [This idea includes transportation for what is an operating system but a highway with tolls.]
Phil Fried Phil's retail Page
Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 7:26:06 AM
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DS avoids the question of the American Opera Projects connection with Dfelson whether they met or not. Most important for DS's is acceptance and celebration of the "gatekeepers being in charge of art" paradigm.
http://www.newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=6714
That's wrong.
Phil Fried
Phil's gate keeper page
Wednesday, January 05, 2011, 10:31:32 AM
As to my comments about "gatekeepers" this was not about the fan funding sites but rather about the difference between their use by, say, a individual composer, or by an institution. Even for myself Phil Fried is one thing and operabob is another. That said its hard not to notice that these sites seem to follow the mainstream to the letter.
Phil Fried
Phil's page
I have complained about the veracity of the internet before. The word "miracle" in this context would imply that you had nothing as a composer. Oh, except your Rolodex, sorry, your fellow twitterers.
Your claim that your fiscal agent was the source of your success is misleading.
Phil's fully funded site
Saturday, January 15, 2011, 12:36:36 PM
You have to get the word out before you can collect the cash.
Phil
Phil who must learn to twitter more page
Dfelsen: I apologize If I did not get the irony of your post. So many times irony isn't irony at all, and I have never read a post from you before to compare. Worse still many posters here continue to pretend that their private party is open to all. Again my apologies as well.
Monday, January 17, 2011, 1:40:48 PM
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http://www.newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=6662
Two things:
As I remember a technological advance is not the same as an artistic advance.
If anyone thinks that some of today's most "successful" composers aren't "mediocrities" I've got this bridge for sale. Cheap.
It's also available for lease with no money down.
Phil Fried, who thinks that speculating about dead composers is not very interesting.
Sunday, November 21, 2010, 12:21:07 PM
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Evidently.
Phil Fried
Phil's self effacing page
Tuesday, November 09, 2010, 5:41:32 PM
No further comment is necessary.
Phil Fried
Phil's perhaps not so self effacing page
Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 6:50:27 PM
Yes quite true. I know because I've been blogging for quite some time now.
Because of the incredibly low bar for veracity on the net, still true to this day, I still take the trouble of giving my real name and my web page so folks would know for certain who was making the comments.
Phil Fried
Phil's page which was started on aol 1996
Thursday, November 11, 2010, 7:21:39 PM
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http://www.sequenza21.com/2011/01/4743/
My point here is that the discussion of the Babbitt article is red herring. Mr. Bailey does not mention it--only the supposed comment.
I’m afraid that the Babbitt misquote leads one to the conclusion that Mr. Bailey’s reviews will now and always be completely predictable along stylistic lines.
Phil Fried, no sonic prejudice
Well its been a stressful week. I'm afraid that I'm not finding much in NMB these days to agree with besides Frank. So here we go...
http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=6764
some would follow
By philmusic
As someone who believes in that sound, his sound, the loss is immeasurable. By philmusic
For my personal thoughts, some of them anyway, look here: Phil's Blog
Phil Fried
http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=6732
When life gives you lemons make lemonade!
By philmusic
So that's why I compose serial music. By philmusic
Phil Fried
Phil's happy page
Saturday, January 15, 2011, 10:34:47 PM
http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=6757
Why complain?
By philmusic
The day I get two positive reviews in the Washington Post on the same day will be a happy day for me.By philmusic
Phil Fried
Phil Fried's reviewers welcome home page
Friday, January 28, 2011, 10:01:34 AM
Now that you mention it...
By philmusic
"...Brevity is Not the Soul of Anything.."By philmusic
True Kyle.
Except for blog posts.
Phil Fried
Phil's brief page
______________________________
http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=6746
Why not?
By philmusic
"..the book and subsequently this column won't emphasize my own biases.."By philmusic
Robb, why not? I can't think of any work of non fiction that does not in the end reveal the authors biases. What would make any like book rewarding to me are the insights filtered through the lens of the authors point of view. Perhaps I'm being a Devil's advocate but your age restrictions already creates one such lens.
Why not embrace it?
Phil Fried
Phil's Bias against Bias's page
Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 11:08:27 PM
______________________________________________
http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=6752
I think we know this one
By philmusic
"..at times I want to revert to the simplest answer: the stork..." By philmusic
Certainly it's more ingratiating to tell folks what they want to hear rather than the truth.
Phil Fried
________________________
http://www.newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=6749
much longer than you think
By philmusic
"In the new business paradigm, the platform used to deliver the message is sadly more influential than the message or the messenger."By philmusic
Frank, in one guise or another being a "middleman" has been around for centuries. There is always money to be made selling a thing or service that someone else makes. [This idea includes transportation for what is an operating system but a highway with tolls.]
Phil Fried Phil's retail Page
Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 7:26:06 AM
________________________________________________
DS avoids the question of the American Opera Projects connection with Dfelson whether they met or not. Most important for DS's is acceptance and celebration of the "gatekeepers being in charge of art" paradigm.
http://www.newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=6714
Where are the composers?
By philmusic
After looking at these sites I must agree with Dennis. They just don't seem inclusive of the kind of music I compose. This post raises a larger point. It is obvious that gatekeepers are driving this bus not the composers. By philmusic
That's wrong.
Phil Fried
Phil's gate keeper page
Wednesday, January 05, 2011, 10:31:32 AM
protest too much?
By philmusic
In truth contributors are always fans. Besides, their are many organizations out there who will act as "fiscal agents" to help raise funds for artists. Some use paypal. That the above web sites don't seem geared to my music is obvious but so what? For me it would be about the cost/convenience. Not the "coolness." By philmusic
As to my comments about "gatekeepers" this was not about the fan funding sites but rather about the difference between their use by, say, a individual composer, or by an institution. Even for myself Phil Fried is one thing and operabob is another. That said its hard not to notice that these sites seem to follow the mainstream to the letter.
Phil Fried
Phil's page
Discovered at Schrafft's
By philmusic
"..fully funded through the miracle of Kickstarter.."By philmusic
I have complained about the veracity of the internet before. The word "miracle" in this context would imply that you had nothing as a composer. Oh, except your Rolodex, sorry, your fellow twitterers.
Your claim that your fiscal agent was the source of your success is misleading.
Phil's fully funded site
Saturday, January 15, 2011, 12:36:36 PM
blame it on twitter
By philmusic
It makes sense for a composer in NY commissioned by a California performing group to use the net for fund raising, yet isn't it Twitter that seems the likely hero here? Faster than snail mail less intrusive then a mass e-mails? More italicized than a facebook event? Also a twitter friend group is by choice isn't it? By philmusic
You have to get the word out before you can collect the cash.
Phil
Phil who must learn to twitter more page
Dfelsen: I apologize If I did not get the irony of your post. So many times irony isn't irony at all, and I have never read a post from you before to compare. Worse still many posters here continue to pretend that their private party is open to all. Again my apologies as well.
Monday, January 17, 2011, 1:40:48 PM
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http://www.newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=6662
hmmmm?
By philmusic
people like Mendelssohn and Gounod and Weber and Glinka simply wouldn't cut it today. They'd be considered mediocreBy philmusic
Two things:
As I remember a technological advance is not the same as an artistic advance.
If anyone thinks that some of today's most "successful" composers aren't "mediocrities" I've got this bridge for sale. Cheap.
It's also available for lease with no money down.
Phil Fried, who thinks that speculating about dead composers is not very interesting.
Sunday, November 21, 2010, 12:21:07 PM
___________________________________________
http://www.newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=6652
Right to the point?
By philmusic
Is modesty dead?By philmusic
Evidently.
Phil Fried
Phil's self effacing page
Tuesday, November 09, 2010, 5:41:32 PM
He saw through my flimsy prevarication
By philmusic
"..First, I believe that modesty is highly overrated as a virtue..." By philmusic
No further comment is necessary.
Phil Fried
Phil's perhaps not so self effacing page
Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 6:50:27 PM
tarred with the same brush
By philmusic
"..that the perpetual link at the bottom of each post is only sometimes the most pretentious and self-serving portion..". By philmusic
Yes quite true. I know because I've been blogging for quite some time now.
Because of the incredibly low bar for veracity on the net, still true to this day, I still take the trouble of giving my real name and my web page so folks would know for certain who was making the comments.
Phil Fried
Phil's page which was started on aol 1996
Thursday, November 11, 2010, 7:21:39 PM
_________________________________
http://www.sequenza21.com/2011/01/4743/
My point here is that the discussion of the Babbitt article is red herring. Mr. Bailey does not mention it--only the supposed comment.
I’m afraid that the Babbitt misquote leads one to the conclusion that Mr. Bailey’s reviews will now and always be completely predictable along stylistic lines.
Phil Fried, no sonic prejudice
